Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome to Lessons in Tanya, chapter 21.
Today we're embarking on a truly profound deep dive. One that grapples with perhaps the most fundamental and honestly, mind bending question of existence. It really is, how can the infinite, indivisible divine create and sustain a seemingly separate and finite world without compromising its own absolute unity?
It's huge.
This chapter in Tanya offers an incredibly unique and I think, transformative perspective. It really challenges our everyday understanding of reality itself.
Our mission, as always on the deep dive, is to cut through the complex concepts presented in the source material and provide, hopefully, crystal clear understanding on what it reveals about the very nature of existence and, you know, our place within it.
[00:00:46] Speaker B: Indeed. And it's a deep dive into nothing less than the foundational paradox of the relationship between the Creator and Creation. It's right at the heart of everything.
[00:00:54] Speaker A: Right.
[00:00:54] Speaker B: What's truly fascinating here, and perhaps a little surprising when you first read it, is how the chapter attempts to illuminate these divine processes. It uses an unexpected analogy, human speech, to help us grasp something far, far beyond our normal comprehension.
[00:01:12] Speaker A: Human speech that seems counterintuitive almost.
[00:01:16] Speaker B: Well, yes. And right from the outset, we're given a crucial caution. This is only an analogy, and a partial one at that. It's really important to keep that in mind. Okay. It's designed to give us a glimpse, you know, a foothold, not a full picture. Our insights today will explore how creation from the Creator's ultimate vantage point is understood not as a separate entity at all, but as an utterly integral and unified extension of the divine essence. It's a profound shift in perspective.
[00:01:43] Speaker A: Okay, let's definitely unpack this. Because the source material begins by setting up this comparison, drawing a parallel between how we communicate and how the divine communicates. And it immediately highlights a critical, almost, almost mind bending difference. Let's start with us. Human speech, when a person speaks, really think about the mechanics of it.
The breath that carries the spoken word, the sound waves themselves, they become a distinct, perceivable entity.
[00:02:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:07] Speaker A: They exist outside of you.
[00:02:08] Speaker B: They leave you.
[00:02:10] Speaker A: Exactly. They literally separate from their origin from your own intellectual and emotional faculties. Imagine a thought or an idea buzzing around in your mind while it's still purely internal. It's completely nullified within your consciousness. It has no independent existence outside of your head. Right, right.
[00:02:28] Speaker B: It's just potential.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: It's just an unexpressed potential.
[00:02:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:31] Speaker A: But the very moment you articulate it, the instant you speak it, that word or phrase gains an independent identity. It's out there in the world. It's heard by others. It can be recorded, written down, it.
[00:02:42] Speaker B: Can even be misinterpreted.
[00:02:43] Speaker A: Absolutely.
Crucially, it's separate from you, the speaker. That's the very definition of human speech, isn't it? It's an act of separation to facilitate communication. It's a revelation that necessitates a departure from the source.
[00:02:55] Speaker B: Yes, that separation is key for human communication. But what's truly revolutionary then, is how this ancient text immediately draws a fundamental distinction when it comes to the Divine. It states absolutely clearly and unequivocally that the Divine's speech is is never separated from the Divine self.
[00:03:15] Speaker A: Never separated, never.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: It emphasizes, and these are powerful insights drawn directly from the text, that nothing is outside of him, and no place is devoid of Him.
This isn't just poetic language. It has profound implications.
[00:03:29] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:03:29] Speaker B: It means that divine speech is always contained within the Divine, utterly unified with its source.
[00:03:36] Speaker A: Wow. So completely different from our experience.
[00:03:38] Speaker B: Totally. This is a radical departure from our human experience of thought or speech. Our thoughts are one thing, our words are another. But for the Divine, this distinction doesn't exist. In the same way, the scriptures themselves highlight this difference, stating, for my thoughts are not like your thoughts. We're talking about a completely different order of reality. It's like trying to understand a multidimensional concept with only two dimensions at your disposal. Our minds naturally project our own limitations onto the Divine, assuming that if the Divine speaks, it must involve some form of externalization or separation, just like our speech does.
[00:04:13] Speaker A: Yeah, that makes sense. That's the default, default assumption.
[00:04:16] Speaker B: But the text here dismantles that assumption completely.
[00:04:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:19] Speaker B: The Divine's essence is infinite and all encompassing meaning. There literally cannot be anything outside of it, including its speech.
[00:04:29] Speaker A: So this immediately throws up a huge question for me, and I imagine for many listeners. If divine speech is indeed never separate, if it remains absolutely unified with the Divine essence, then why on earth is it even called speech at all?
[00:04:42] Speaker B: That's the million dollar question, isn't it?
[00:04:44] Speaker A: Right. My human brain instantly defaults to the idea that speech is communication. And communication requires separation. It takes a hidden thought, something private and internal, and reveals it to an audience by externalizing it. Thoughts, by definition, remain hidden, private. They don't leave the mind. But if the divine speech never truly separates, if it never leaves its source, if it's still utterly unified within the divine, then how can that term speech provide us with any understanding of divine communication? It seems to contradict the very nature of what speech implies for us.
[00:05:19] Speaker B: Exactly. It seems like a paradox, this.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: It seems is the core challenge that chapter 21 sets out to address. It forces us to fundamentally redefine what speech means in a divine context. It's like trying to imagine, I don't know, light that is always both a wave and a particle simultaneously, without ever collapsing into just one state for an observer.
[00:05:42] Speaker B: That's precisely the paradox the text grapples with. And it's an excellent point about the limitations of analogy. The Alter Rebbe, as explained in the Source, clarifies that the term speech is used only as an analogy to illustrate a specific quality.
[00:05:54] Speaker A: Okay, just one quality.
[00:05:55] Speaker B: Just one specific quality. The quality of revelation. Think about it this way. Just as human speech reveals hidden thoughts to an audience, making the internal external right, bringing it out, divine speech reveals that which was previously concealed within the divine, making the unrevealed manifest. It's a way for the divine to express its inner will and wisdom.
[00:06:16] Speaker A: Ah, okay, so it's about the revealing part.
[00:06:18] Speaker B: Exactly.
So the first characteristic of human speech, its capacity for revelation, is absolutely applicable to the divine. That's what the analogy holds.
[00:06:28] Speaker A: Got it.
[00:06:28] Speaker B: But, and this is crucial, the second characteristic of human speech, that it separates from its source, becoming an independent entity, is explicitly not applicable to the divine.
That's the critical point of departure for the analogy, and it's why we must be so careful not to interpret it literally.
[00:06:46] Speaker A: Right, don't take the analogy too far.
[00:06:47] Speaker B: Precisely. It's a tool for understanding, not a direct mirror.
[00:06:51] Speaker A: So when we talk about divine speech in this context, we're not talking about a sound wave or spoken word in the human sense. Not at all.
[00:06:58] Speaker B: Not in the physical sense. No.
[00:06:59] Speaker A: We're referring to the emergence of the divine light and life force from its state of concealment, where it existed as pure, unmanifested potential before creation, completely unified into a state of revelation through the very act of creating the world.
Its entire purpose, its sole reason for being, is to bring existence into being, to create and animate all the worlds, from the highest spiritual realms down to our physical universe.
[00:07:24] Speaker B: Yes. It's the creative impulse made manifest.
[00:07:27] Speaker A: And in this particular case, the audience is us, the created beings.
[00:07:31] Speaker B: Right?
[00:07:31] Speaker A: Which, from our own limited and veiled perspective, perceive ourselves as separate entities.
The divine speech is the very mechanism through which that perception becomes possible. Even though from the ultimate divine reality, everything remains a unified whole.
[00:07:47] Speaker B: That's a key point. Our perception of separation is enabled by this speech, yet doesn't reflect the ultimate reality.
[00:07:53] Speaker A: And here's where it gets really interesting, because the Source then connects this abstract concept to concrete examples that are profoundly central to our understanding of creation. It refers to the ten divine utterances recorded in foundational texts. That's the creative words, those incredibly powerful, iconic phrases like, and the divine said, let there be light, let the earth sprout forth, and so on. These weren't just poetic statements, were they?
[00:08:17] Speaker B: No, not at all. They were the very words, the very expressions of divine will that brought the world into being, literally manifesting existence from nothingness, the actual engine of creation.
[00:08:28] Speaker A: Wow. But the text doesn't stop there. It expands this concept to include all the other words of the foundational texts, the prophets and the holy writings.
[00:08:37] Speaker B: Right. It broadens the scope significantly.
[00:08:40] Speaker A: This means that the revelations experienced by prophets, the insights and commands conveyed through holy texts, these two represent divine revelation perceived by those prophets in their profound visions and spiritual states.
[00:08:52] Speaker B: It's all part of that same process of divine expression or revelation.
[00:08:56] Speaker A: So in all these instances, whether it's the primordial act of creation, the ongoing sustenance of the universe, or the specific insights granted to prophets, the analogy of speech is purely about communication and revelation, purely revelation. It is never, ever about separation from the divine essence. It's the divine revealing itself, manifesting its will and wisdom, but never detaching itself. It's an unfolding, not an exodus.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: Beautifully put. An unfolding. Now, to delve even deeper into the nature of this absolute unity, the text provides another incredibly insightful analogy, comparing divine speech and thought to the internal state of human potential.
[00:09:37] Speaker A: Okay, another analogy. Let's hear it.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: It suggests that divine speech and thought are united with the divine in absolute, complete union, much like human speech and thought are before they are actually expressed.
[00:09:48] Speaker A: Or articulated, before we even form the words. Our head.
[00:09:50] Speaker B: Exactly. Let's elaborate on this human analogy. Think about that moment before you speak, before you even fully form a thought into distinct words in your mind, when your ideas, your desires, your deepest intentions are still contained within your faculty or wisdom or your intellect, or even deep within your heart as a powerful desire.
[00:10:05] Speaker A: Or craving, Like a raw impulse or feeling.
[00:10:08] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. They haven't yet risen to your brain to be formulated into a coherent sentence, let alone spoken aloud at that nascent stage. The letters, not literal letters, of course, but the potential components of what will eventually become a thought or speech are completely unified with their source within you. Yeah, they are in a potential state. They are absolutely unified with their source. Whether that's the pure wisdom or raw intellect residing in your brain, or the raw longing and desire emanating from your heart, they are completely one with you. They Are you in an unexpressed form?
[00:10:40] Speaker A: Right. They haven't become other yet.
[00:10:42] Speaker B: They don't exist independently waiting to be found and spoken. They are the very fabric of your inner being at that moment.
[00:10:48] Speaker A: And this is where the crucial, truly mind blowing difference lies. With a profound implication that reshapes our entire understanding for us, for a mortal being. This unity, this state where thought and speech are still utterly one with our essence exists before expression, right?
[00:11:06] Speaker B: That pre expression stage.
[00:11:07] Speaker A: But once we express something, once that internal thought becomes an external word, separation inevitably occurs.
The Word leaves us. It takes on an independent life.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: That's our reality.
[00:11:21] Speaker A: The transformative insight offered by this chapter is that for the Creator, his thought and speech remain unifies with his essence and being, even after his speech has already become materialized in the creation of the worlds.
Think about the sheer scale of that.
[00:11:37] Speaker B: It is staggering.
[00:11:37] Speaker A: It's the same level of absolute unity that existed before creation.
It's as if when you write a book, the entire narrative, characters and plot remain simultaneously and completely within your mind, even as the physical words are printed on the page and read by millions. That's kind of the feeling.
[00:11:53] Speaker B: That's a good way to try and grasp it. Yes. Therefore, from the Divine's own ultimate perspective, nothing whatsoever was changed but a revelation of his creative power and creation.
[00:12:02] Speaker A: No change for the Divine.
[00:12:04] Speaker B: None. It's an internal process for the Divine, a manifestation from within, not an external act that creates separation or adds anything to the Divine's perfection. It's a revelation of his power, not a diminishment of his unity.
[00:12:18] Speaker A: Wow. Okay, so the change is all on our end, so to speak.
[00:12:22] Speaker B: Precisely. The text clarifies this by stating that any change wrought by creation exists only with regard to the created beings. We as created beings, are the ones who perceive this change because it's our reality.
[00:12:35] Speaker A: It's fundamental to our existence.
[00:12:37] Speaker B: Absolutely. We receive our life force from the Divine Word when it proceeds from concealment to actualization with the creation of the worlds.
For us, the shift from non existence to existence is the greatest possible change. Imagine going from absolute nothingness to a fully formed being. That's monumental from our point of view.
This creative power then clothes itself in these worlds to give them life, sustaining us moment by moment, breath by breath.
But from the Divine perspective, that entire elaborate process doesn't alter its essential unity in the slightest.
The Divine is the ultimate observer, seeing creation as it truly is an extension of itself.
[00:13:16] Speaker A: So if creation doesn't involve separation from the Divine, how does this process of manifestation, this seemingly separate world, actually come into being. This is where the Source introduces the concept of contractions, or what it calls simsumim.
[00:13:30] Speaker B: Right. The famous concept of sinsum, or contractions.
[00:13:33] Speaker A: It explains that the creation process takes place through a gradual descent from level to level. This isn't a sudden singular event like flipping a switch.
[00:13:41] Speaker B: No, it's a process.
[00:13:42] Speaker A: Instead, it's a continuous, step by step unfolding, a downward gradation achieved by means of numerous and various contractions.
[00:13:50] Speaker B: Many steps.
[00:13:51] Speaker A: Now, contractions here doesn't mean a physical shrinking, right?
[00:13:54] Speaker B: No, not physical. It means a progressive decrease in the intensity of the revealed divine powers. Think of it like a divine dimmer switch, or maybe a series of filters.
[00:14:04] Speaker A: Okay. Like turning down the brightness.
[00:14:06] Speaker B: Exactly. The blinding intensity of the Divine presence is too great for a finite world to exist within. If the full light of the infinite were revealed, anything created would instantly be nullified, absorbed back into its source, unable to maintain its distinct identity, just overwhelmed, dissolved completely. So the question immediately begs, why is this necessary? Why wouldn't the Divine just create everything in its full, unveiled glory? What's the purpose of dimming the light?
[00:14:36] Speaker A: Yeah, why the veil?
[00:14:37] Speaker B: That's a critical question. And it speaks directly to the divine intention behind creation. The fundamental purpose of these contractions is precisely so that the created beings can derive their life force and existence from it without losing their identity.
[00:14:49] Speaker A: Ah, so it's for the created beings.
[00:14:51] Speaker B: Yes.
Without this gradual dimming of the divine light, an undimmed revelation of the divine life force would create beings whose identity would be utterly nullified within their life force.
They wouldn't be distinct entities at all. They'd be completely dissolved within the boundless divine light.
[00:15:09] Speaker A: No separation, no individuality.
[00:15:12] Speaker B: None. The Divine's intention, as explained in this profound text, is for creations to perceive themselves as separate, at least to a degree. Why?
So that they can strive for self nullification. Essentially, putting aside their ego, their sense of being entirely separate in relation to their Creator through their own efforts, through.
[00:15:31] Speaker A: Their own choice and actions.
[00:15:33] Speaker B: Exactly. It's about enabling a relationship, a conscious yearning and connection, rather than just an automatic absorption. Imagine if a parent wanted their child to choose, to love them, to grow and develop. That requires the child to have a sense of self, a distinct identity, rather than being perpetually absorbed in the parent's being.
[00:15:50] Speaker A: That makes sense. It allows for free will, for a genuine turning towards the divine.
[00:15:55] Speaker B: Precisely. These contractions allow for that necessary space, that perceived separateness.
[00:16:00] Speaker A: And the text then describes exactly how these contractions achieve their effect. Using a very evocative phrase. It Tells us that these contractions constitute a veiling of the countenance, a powerful image. Now, what does veiling of the countenance mean? It's not about the divine literally having a face that is hidden, I assume.
[00:16:18] Speaker B: No, it's metaphorical. It means they actively veil and conceal the essential aspects of the light and life force that are derived from the divine word.
[00:16:27] Speaker A: Okay.
Imagine incredibly powerful, pure white light. If it shone at its full, infinite intensity, it would be utterly blinding. Anything fragile, anything finite, anything delicate would simply be overwhelmed, consumed.
[00:16:43] Speaker B: You, capable of existing independently, incapable of.
[00:16:46] Speaker A: Perceiving anything without being instantly dissolved into that light.
So this veiling, these contractions, they function precisely to prevent the divine light from revealing itself with an intense radiance which the lower worlds would be incapable of receiving.
[00:17:00] Speaker B: Yes. It's an act of divine consideration.
[00:17:02] Speaker A: You could say it's like dimming a powerful spotlight so that a fragile plant can grow in its presence, or applying a filter to an overwhelming signal so a receiver can process it without being overloaded.
These veils make existence as we know it possible.
[00:17:18] Speaker B: Exactly. And this critical process leads us directly to our perception of separation, which is the cornerstone of our experience.
Because the divine life force, the very energy sustaining all existence, is obscured through these contractions because of the dimming. It appears to them, the created beings, as if it is something separate from the divine essence. This is the key to understanding our illusion. Or maybe perception is a better word of distinct existence.
[00:17:45] Speaker A: So the veil creates the appearance of separation.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: Yes. This veiling creates the powerful, almost undeniable perception that the life force only issues from him, similar to how human speech appears to separate from the speaker and.
[00:17:56] Speaker A: Exist independently, like the sound leaving the person.
[00:17:59] Speaker B: Right. But it's crucial to reiterate, this perception of separation, which feels so real to us, is only possible because the divine life force is hidden from creation by these numerous and intricate contractions.
[00:18:10] Speaker A: Without the contractions, no perception of self.
[00:18:13] Speaker B: Exactly. If that light were unveiled, if we perceived its true intensity and unity with its source, there would be no perception of distinct existence. Everything would be utterly nullified, dissolved into the infinite oneness. It's the Divine's benevolent act of self concealment that allows us to exist as seemingly independent beings, to have a sense of me and you, and to embark on our spiritual journey.
[00:18:37] Speaker A: Okay, now here's where the perspective shifts entirely, and it's a monumental shift in understanding. The source states emphatically that in regard to the Divine, no concealment or veil hides or obscures anything from him.
[00:18:50] Speaker B: The veil is only for us. Not for the divine right.
[00:18:52] Speaker A: It quotes powerful scriptural verses to drive this point home to him. Darkness, meaning concealment and light meaning revelation are alike. And even the darkness does not obscure anything from you.
[00:19:04] Speaker B: No distinction from that perspective.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: The profound meaning here is that the veil of contraction itself is of divine origin.
It is the divine expressing itself in a diminished way for the sake of creation.
Therefore, it cannot possibly obscure the divine from itself.
[00:19:21] Speaker B: How could it?
[00:19:22] Speaker A: It's like your hand trying to hide something from your own eye. It's impossible because the hand is an integral part of your body. As the source so powerfully states, only a foreign body can constitute an obstruction. One cannot hide from his own self.
[00:19:34] Speaker B: That's a fantastic point. The veil isn't foreign.
[00:19:37] Speaker A: The very act of veiling is an internal divine process, not an external barrier that limits the divine's awareness.
The divine chooses to veil itself, but this choice doesn't diminish its self awareness or unity. It's like an artist who creates a masterpiece. The art might exist separately, but it's still fundamentally an expression of the artist's inner vision. And the artist never forgets it.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: Precisely. And this raises an important question about the intrinsic unity that persists even within what appears to be concealment. The text explains that the contractions and the veils are not things distinct from the divine, but by any means. Since nothing is separate from the divine, Nothing is separate. Nothing. It uses a wonderfully precise and striking analogy that really drives the point home. They are like the turtle whose garment that is its shell is part of its body.
[00:20:26] Speaker A: The turtle shell analogy. I like that.
[00:20:29] Speaker B: What's so powerful about that image? A turtle shell isn't something it puts on and takes off like clothing. Right. It's an intrinsic, inseparable part of its very being, its bone structure, its identity.
[00:20:40] Speaker A: It is the turtle, in a way.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: It grows with the turtle. It is the turtle, just like that. These veils, these contractions that seem to hide the divine light from us, are not external entities or limitations imposed on the divine. They are the divine's own way of expressing itself in a diminished or concealed form. They are part of its essence.
[00:20:58] Speaker A: Wow. The concealment is divine too.
[00:21:00] Speaker B: Yes. The text also brings a powerful scriptural quote. Divine, he is the Lord, and further elaborates on its significance. It explains that the four letter name which denotes divine revelation, and another name which refers to the divine power of self concealment are one.
[00:21:18] Speaker A: Revelation and concealment are unified, fundamentally unified.
[00:21:22] Speaker B: This deep unity demonstrates that the power of self concealment does not act as a true veil obscuring the Divine, since it is essentially unified with the power of revelation.
It's all part of the same unified reality viewed from different angles.
[00:21:36] Speaker A: Okay, so the ultimate implication of this divine perspective is truly breathtaking. Since the Divine is utterly unaffected by the contractions that make it possible for created beings to feel separate and distinct.
[00:21:47] Speaker B: Since the veil doesn't veil him from himself, right?
[00:21:49] Speaker A: He perceives all the creations brought into being by His Word as being still within their Source himself.
Think about that for a moment. From his perspective, created beings are in a state of absolute nullification, utterly nullified. They are still non entities, utterly absorbed in their source. Like a beam of light is absorbed.
[00:22:07] Speaker B: Back into the sun, like potential before it's expressed.
[00:22:10] Speaker A: Our entire existence from the Divine's vantage point, is still completely contained and dissolved within the infinite.
Our creation in no way detracts from his absolute unity. He is one alone after creation, just as he was before creation.
[00:22:25] Speaker B: No change, no addition, no subtraction.
[00:22:27] Speaker A: The Creation doesn't add anything to the Divine's perfection, nor does it diminish its unity. It's all an internal, self contained revelation, like a thought unfolding within an infinite mind.
The perceived multiplicity of the world is purely a function of our limited created perception enabled by those very contractions.
[00:22:46] Speaker B: It really comes down to perspective. To reiterate this duality then, it's truly about two contracting, yet simultaneously perspectives for the created being. For us, the emergence from nothingness into existence through the Divine Word is perceived as the greatest possible change, absolutely transformative for us, leading to a very real and immediate perception of separation. We feel distinct, we experience ourselves as I, but for the Creator, for the Divine, there is absolutely no change whatsoever. All remains unified and utterly nullified within the Divine essence.
[00:23:21] Speaker A: The ultimate paradox.
[00:23:22] Speaker B: This is the profound paradox that chapter 21 grapples with simultaneous absolute unity and apparent multiplicity. It's the Creator's unchanging oneness alongside the creature's perception of distinctness.
[00:23:34] Speaker A: And that brings us to the close of this truly profound deep dive into chapter 21 of Tanya. It offers a mind bending, almost counterintuitive understanding of creation. It teaches us that the separation we perceive in the world around us and even within ourselves is, is from the ultimate perspective, an illusion.
[00:23:51] Speaker B: A purposeful illusion, perhaps.
[00:23:53] Speaker A: Right? A carefully crafted benevolent illusion made possible by the Divine's own profound speech, which is fundamentally revelation, not separation, and by a series of carefully orchestrated contractions that veil, that intense divine light just enough for us to exist as distinct finite entities. The core lesson here, I think, is that human terms, even concepts as fundamental as speech and thought are, are woefully inadequate for describing divine qualities.
They serve merely as analogies, as imperfect bridges.
[00:24:23] Speaker B: Stepping stones.
[00:24:24] Speaker A: Stepping stones, exactly. To help us grasp aspects of the divine that are otherwise utterly beyond our comprehension. It's a powerful call to reflect on this radical underlying unity, A unity that permeates and sustains everything, even the very veil that seems to hide it from us.
[00:24:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:42] Speaker A: It reminds us that behind all the apparent complexity and diversity, there is a singular, simple, infinite reality.
[00:24:48] Speaker B: So what does this all mean for you, the listener, beyond the abstract concepts? How do we bring this down to earth?
[00:24:55] Speaker A: Good question.
[00:24:55] Speaker B: Understanding the absolute unity of the divine, even amidst all the apparent separation and multiplicity we experience daily, can profoundly transform one's perception of the world and one's place within it. If everything, including the very veils of concealment that allow us to perceive ourselves as distinct, extinct, is intrinsically part of the divine.
[00:25:13] Speaker A: If the shell is part of the turtle.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: Exactly. If it's all one vast interconnected expression of the divine essence, then what does that imply about our own connection to that ultimate reality?
[00:25:23] Speaker A: It changes everything.
[00:25:24] Speaker B: It raises a powerful question for reflection.
How might this understanding shift our striving for self nullification and unity? Knowing that from the divine perspective, we are already always absolutely one with our source? And it suggests that our spiritual work isn't about creating unity because it's already there. It's perhaps more about uncovering the unity that already exists.
[00:25:47] Speaker A: Peeling back the layers of illusion.
[00:25:48] Speaker B: Yes. Piercing through the illusion of separation and recognizing our true inherent connection. We invite you to continue exploring this profound concept in your own contemplation, allowing it to reshape how you see yourself and the world around you.
