Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Deep Dive. In our last discussion, we started talking about this idea, this constant inner struggle the text describes.
[00:00:08] Speaker B: Right. The battle between our higher inclinations towards purpose and connection and the. Well, the lower nature. The instinctual stuff.
[00:00:17] Speaker A: Exactly. And today we're really going to dive deeper. Using material from chapter 10 of this text, we want to understand what happens when that battle leads to, well, victory. Different levels of spiritual achievement.
[00:00:31] Speaker B: That's the focus. The source material today looks at those who've basically won that fight, the ones the text calls righteous individuals.
[00:00:37] Speaker A: Right.
[00:00:38] Speaker B: But, and this is key, it's not just one monolithic state. The text immediately points out there are really two main categories here.
[00:00:46] Speaker A: Two categories. So different ways to be righteous or different levels of it?
[00:00:50] Speaker B: Pretty much different levels distinguished by their internal relationship with that lower nature they've overcome. And it's about how they've dealt with the negativity inside.
[00:00:58] Speaker A: Okay, so how they dealt with it. One type you mentioned.
[00:01:01] Speaker B: Yeah, one type has managed a complete transformation. They've actually taken that negative potential and, well, turned it into active goodness, changed its nature.
[00:01:11] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Transformed it.
[00:01:12] Speaker B: And the other, the other type has also gained mastery. They've pushed the negativity aside, totally controlled its expression, thoughts, words, actions, all clean, but. But deep down, a tiny trace, like a subtle echo of that original negativity. It's still there, not transformed.
[00:01:30] Speaker A: Okay, that sounds subtle, but, like, really fundamental. So our mission today is to unpack these two levels properly.
[00:01:37] Speaker B: Right.
[00:01:37] Speaker A: We need to get into the details from the text. What exactly makes someone one type versus the other? What's going on inside them? What does it really mean to not just suppress negativity, but to, you know, transform it?
[00:01:48] Speaker B: It's like digging into the spiritual mechanics. Yeah. The Source uses specific language terms that carry a lot of weight.
[00:01:54] Speaker A: Right. And we want to avoid getting bogged down in jargon. The listener might not know.
[00:01:58] Speaker B: Exactly. So we'll stick to descriptive English terms drawn from the text's own explanations. Things like perfect righteous individual versus imperfect righteous individual.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:02:08] Speaker B: And we'll explore what the source means by phrases like knows only good compared to knows evil. It's about understanding the profound states being described.
[00:02:17] Speaker A: Perfect.
That sounds like the way to go. Let's dive in then. Where does the text start? With this.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: Okay. So it lays out these two broad categories of righteous individuals. And it's important to remember this title, Righteous. It seems to hinge less on just outward actions and more on their intense interconnection, their love for the divine. It's an internal thing.
[00:02:39] Speaker A: First Got it. So internal state is primary, not just ticking boxes.
[00:02:43] Speaker B: Precisely. Now, the first category introduced is the perfect righteous individual. The text is very clear here. This person hasn't just suppressed negativity, they fully converted all of that potential evil within their lower nature into actual inherent good.
[00:02:57] Speaker A: All of it changed into good.
[00:02:59] Speaker B: Changed into good. It's not dormant, it's fundamentally altered. And that's why they get another description from the text, too. The righteous individual who knows only good. Because internally, that's all that's left. The evil's been transformed.
[00:03:11] Speaker A: Okay, so perfect evidence equals knows only good. Makes sense. Complete change. What about the second type then?
[00:03:18] Speaker B: The second type is the imperfect righteous individual. Now, these individuals, they haven't completely rooted out and converted that negativity. They've achieved amazing control. Yes. No expression in thought, speech or action. But that remnant, that subtle potential, it still exists within them, untransformed.
[00:03:38] Speaker A: So the potential is still there even if it never shows itself.
[00:03:41] Speaker B: Exactly. And that's precisely why they're also called, using the text's language, a righteous individual who knows evil, not because they do evil or even think it, but because that potential, that root, is still known or present internally.
[00:03:55] Speaker A: Ah, okay, I see the parry now. Perfect means total transformation. Only good remains imperfect means mastery. But a bit of the original negative root is still there, even if totally suppressed.
[00:04:07] Speaker B: You've got it. And the text is very precise. It clarifies these two sets of terms. The complete versus incomplete righteous label that relates specifically to the degree of their love for the divine.
[00:04:17] Speaker A: Their love?
[00:04:17] Speaker B: Yeah, that deep connection is what earns them the righteous title in the first place.
So a complete absolute love that corresponds to being a complete righteous individual. A love that's profound, but maybe not quite at that absolute peak that makes them an incomplete righteous individual.
[00:04:34] Speaker A: Okay, so that's one angle. The intensity of their connection. Their love. What about the other pair of terms, the nose good versus knows evil?
[00:04:42] Speaker B: That pair focuses more directly on the state of their inner landscape. Specifically, whether that original negative potential has been transformed into good or not.
[00:04:52] Speaker A: Right.
[00:04:53] Speaker B: So the one where the evil potential is totally gone, transformed. They're called a righteous individual who knows only good. Makes sense. Right? Only good exists internally, now, but the one where a trace of vestige remains, even dormant. They're a righteous individual who knows evil because that potential, that knowledge of evil, is still part of their internal makeup, even if it's totally nullified in practice.
[00:05:13] Speaker A: This is a really important clarification. So complete and complete refers to the love, the connection, intensity and nose, Good, evil Refers to the internal state of potential transformed or just suppressed. Two ways of looking at the same two groups.
[00:05:27] Speaker B: Excellent summary. Two different lenses.
And the source immediately adds a crucial point to avoid any confusion.
[00:05:34] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:05:35] Speaker B: When it talks about evil remaining or being transformed, here, it's only talking about the internal potential or inclination for negativity. The stuff that's part of the lower nature associated with the.
The left side of the heart. From earlier discussions.
[00:05:49] Speaker A: So it definitely does not mean they actually think bad thoughts or do bad things.
[00:05:53] Speaker B: Absolutely not. They're called righteous precisely because they've already mastered the expression of evil. This whole discussion is about the deep fundamental state of that potential inside them. Is it changed or just held down?
[00:06:05] Speaker A: That's huge. It's about the root, not the fruit. They've already stopped any bad fruit from growing.
[00:06:10] Speaker B: Exactly. The practical victory is already won. The difference lies deeper. So let's zoom in now on the imperfect righteous individual, the one knowing evil, to really get this subtle state.
[00:06:24] Speaker A: Okay. The one with the lingering trace. What's going on inside them? According to the text, how does this unfelt thing, well, not manifest?
[00:06:33] Speaker B: The text describes their process. When their higher self, their soul, overcomes the lower nature in battle, they succeed in banishing and eradicating the influence of negative potential from its usual place, the left side of the heart.
[00:06:46] Speaker A: So they kick it out of the driver's seat.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: Yeah. The text even quotes a teaching, and you shall eradicate the evil from your midst, and applies it here to mean getting rid of the expression or influence of internal negativity.
[00:06:57] Speaker A: So they've pushed out its control. They don't feel tempted in a way that leads anywhere bad.
[00:07:01] Speaker B: Right. That battle's won, they achieve the crucial goal. No negative thoughts dwelt upon, no negative speech, no negative actions. That's conquered. But, and here's the difference. The negative potential itself, the actual root capacity for it, hasn't been converted into good. It's still there in its original form, just stripped of its power.
Their desire is now all directed towards good. Yes, but the original root of some part of that desire wasn't inherently good. It was just sidelined, not fundamentally changed.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: So even with a perfectly good life, that basic potential for negativity is still lurking. Suppressed, but essentially unchanged.
[00:07:42] Speaker B: That's what the source indicates, like a dormant seed. And it explains why it isn't felt. This remaining bit is described as incredibly minute, tiny. So tiny compared to the overwhelming power of their goodness, their higher nature, that it's completely subjugated and nullified, utterly overwhelmed.
[00:07:58] Speaker A: Like the text analogy.
[00:07:59] Speaker B: Exactly. Like a tiny drop of something bitter and a huge amount of sweet liquid. The bitterness is still technically there, unchanged, but you can't taste it at all. It's completely lost, nullified by the sweetness. It can't be sensed, can't express itself, even in the slightest way.
[00:08:14] Speaker A: That's really interesting. It suggests maybe they wouldn't even know it's there. Because if you feel absolutely no pull.
[00:08:19] Speaker B: Towards negativity, you might easily imagine it's completely gone. I have no evil inclination left.
[00:08:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:26] Speaker B: The text anticipates exactly this. It argues that in truth, if all the evil potential had really disappeared entirely, truly vanished, it would have been converted into actual good.
[00:08:37] Speaker A: Why? Why couldn't it just disappear?
[00:08:39] Speaker B: The idea seems to be that spiritual reality doesn't like a vacuum. If evil potential with some root existence is truly removed as evil, its underlying energy doesn't just cease to exist. It gets transformed into its own opposite, into good. Okay, so the very fact that this conversion didn't happen proves, according to the text, that a trace of its original nature must still remain, even if it's totally imperceptible, nullified by the good around it.
[00:09:05] Speaker A: And this explains the label again. This tiny, unfelt, unexpressed remnant is why they're still called a righteous individual who knows evil. It's about that underlying potential that hasn't been changed into good.
[00:09:16] Speaker B: Precisely. They've won a huge victory. Total control, no expression. But it's victory by subjugation, not transformation of the essence. The potential is still there, just confused.
[00:09:25] Speaker A: That really clarifies the imperfect righteous. A very high level, but with that specific inner nuance. And the source says there are variations even within this category?
[00:09:34] Speaker B: Oh, yes. It's not just one state. The text says this level is actually divided into vast numbers of sublevels. It's not a single plateau. It's like a whole mountain range.
[00:09:44] Speaker A: Wow. How are these sublevels different from each other, then?
[00:09:47] Speaker B: Two main ways, according to the text, based on that tiny remaining trace.
First, there are qualitative differences.
[00:09:53] Speaker A: Qualitative meaning the kind of negativity left?
[00:09:56] Speaker B: Exactly. The text refers back to an idea that the lower nature is made up of different negative tendencies or elements.
So the tiny remnant might stem from, say, the element of water, maybe relating to subtle laziness or passive indulgence. Or it could be a spark of the element of fire, perhaps hinting at subtle, unfelt roots of anger or pride.
So the flavor of that tiny dormant trace can differ, creating different qualitative sublevels.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: Interesting. So different kinds of roots Left over. What's the second type of subdivision?
[00:10:27] Speaker B: The second is quantitative. This is about the degree of nullification.
How much goodness is overwhelming that tiny trace?
[00:10:34] Speaker A: The ratio.
[00:10:35] Speaker B: Exactly. The text uses an analogy from religious law about mixing foods. If you have enough permitted food, say 60 parts mixed with one part forbidden, the forbidden part loses its identity. It's nullified. Okay.
[00:10:48] Speaker A: It gets overwhelmed.
[00:10:49] Speaker B: Right. So applying that inside. The text talks about different ratios. Maybe it's 60 parts good overwhelming the one part negativity. Or a thousand to one. Or even 10,000 to one, maybe more.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:11:00] Speaker B: The smaller the proportion of the negativity, the more utterly nullified and imperceptible it is.
[00:11:06] Speaker A: So even among those who haven't fully transformed negativity, there's a huge spectrum based on what kind of trace is left and how powerfully the good overshadows it.
[00:11:14] Speaker B: That's it. These variations, qualitative and quantitative, account for the vast numbers of imperfect righteous individuals the text says exist throughout history.
Many people, it suggests, can reach some point on this spectrum through effort, which.
[00:11:28] Speaker A: Like you said earlier, really contrasts with the next level. Reaching even the lower rungs here sounds like a major achievement, but the next step is something else entirely.
[00:11:38] Speaker B: That's the perfect transition. Having detailed the imperfect righteous, the Source now turns to the perfect righteous individual, the one who knows only good. And the contrast is stark.
[00:11:50] Speaker A: This is the top tier, where the real inner alchemy happens. What's the absolute key achievement that sets them apart?
[00:11:57] Speaker B: The core thing, the mark of their perfection, is fundamental. For them, the negative potential of the lower nature isn't just suppressed or nullified. It's been actively converted into actual positive, positive good. Its very essence, its nature, is changed.
[00:12:11] Speaker A: Change from potentially evil to inherently good. Wow. How? What allows that kind of transformation?
[00:12:16] Speaker B: The Source points squarely to their great love for the divine. A very high, intense level of love called love of delights. In other parts of the text, love.
[00:12:24] Speaker A: Of delights, what does that feel like?
[00:12:26] Speaker B: It sounds like not just intellectual appreciation, but a deep, maybe even blissful, all consuming connections, a profound longing and attachment that becomes the engine driving everything.
This supreme love fuels the transformation.
[00:12:43] Speaker A: A love that powerful can reshape the soul itself.
[00:12:46] Speaker B: That's the idea. And the text explains the mechanism. How does this love do it? It says this perfect, righteous person achieves this by completely removing the filthy garments from the negative aspects within.
[00:12:57] Speaker A: Filthy garments?
Strong words. What do they represent?
[00:13:00] Speaker B: It's a metaphor. The text explains they represent the inclination towards evil and specifically the craving for worldly pleasures just for their Own sake. Pleasure purely to satisfy physical appetite, detached from any higher purpose.
[00:13:13] Speaker A: But wait, what about enjoying things like a good meal on a holiday?
[00:13:17] Speaker B: Ah, crucial distinction. The text is careful here. Enjoying physical pleasure like a festive meal, with the intention of honoring the day or serving the divine that's considered holy. Elevating the physical. That's not the filthy garments. The filthy garments are desires for pleasure, purely for self indulgence, disconnected from or even opposing holiness. Just feeding the self.
[00:13:38] Speaker A: So the perfect righteous don't just control these selfish desires, they actually despise them.
[00:13:44] Speaker B: Utterly despise them. Complete revulsion. And the text explains why this reaction is so absolute. It's because these self serving pleasures, pursued only for themselves, draw their spiritual energy, their life force, from what the tradition calls the spiritual side of opposition, or the forces opposing holiness.
[00:14:01] Speaker A: Forces opposing holiness. What does that mean?
[00:14:03] Speaker B: Practically, it's seen as the realm that's the absolute antithesis of the divine. The source of impurity and separation. Anything connected to it, drawing life from it, is completely abhorrent to the perfect righteous individual.
[00:14:17] Speaker A: And why such intense hatred?
[00:14:18] Speaker B: It's because of their intense love, their profuse love of delights for the divine and holiness. In this view, love and hatred for opposites are deeply linked. Immense love for good generates an equally immense hatred for its spiritual opposites.
[00:14:31] Speaker A: Like two sides of the same coin. The stronger the love, the stronger the rejection of the opposite.
[00:14:36] Speaker B: Exactly. The text even brings in a verse from I hate them with a consuming hatred. Search me God, and know my heart.
The interpretation offered is by seeing how much I love you, you'll understand how much I must hate your spiritual opposite.
The measure of love dictates the measure of hatred for the contrary force.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: That's powerful. It's not passive avoidance. It's an active, fierce rejection born from love.
[00:15:01] Speaker B: Yes, the core idea is repeated. The degree of your love for the divine directly matches the degree of your hatred for the opposing forces and therefore your revulsion towards self indulgent pleasures linked to those forces. Repugnance for those pleasures is the opposite of loving them.
[00:15:17] Speaker A: So their total rejection of negativity comes directly from their ultimate love for the Divine. That love provides the power. Power to transform.
[00:15:23] Speaker B: And that brings us right back to their labels. For the perfect righteous, their ultimate complete love of delights leads to ultimate hatred. Repugnance for negativity in its source. This intense spiritual stance enables the complete transformation of inner negative potential into good. Evil has no place left, not even dormant.
[00:15:41] Speaker A: Right. Complete love enables complete transformation. That's why they're complete righteous.
[00:15:45] Speaker B: Exactly. And because only good remains internally, they know only good.
[00:15:51] Speaker A: Now let's contrast that again with the imperfect righteous using this framework. It really sharpens the distinction.
[00:15:56] Speaker B: Okay, so the imperfect righteous individual, their love of delights isn't quite at that absolute, all consuming peak. It's imperfect.
[00:16:05] Speaker A: Therefore, their hatred or rejection of the negative forces also can't be absolute.
[00:16:10] Speaker B: Precisely. The love isn't total, so the rejection isn't total either. And the implication, what does the text.
[00:16:16] Speaker A: Say that means internally?
[00:16:17] Speaker B: It implies that if the hatred and abhorrence aren't absolute, then some subtle trace of attraction or affinity for negativity must still remain deep down unfelt. Maybe. But because the opposing force, hatred, wasn't absolute, some subtle link, some knowledge of that negative realm persists.
[00:16:33] Speaker A: Because the connection to the filthy garments, to self serving desire, wasn't completely broken at the deepest root.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: Exactly. Those filthy garments haven't been completely shed from their potential. There's still a subtle, maybe subconscious thread connecting them, even if they actively avoid them and feel no conscious pull.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: Therefore, the internal negative potential hasn't been.
[00:16:57] Speaker B: Actually converted to good because it still has that tiny unfelt connection to its original mode of expression, those self serving desires. It's still linked to that root, even though it's totally dormant and nullified by the overwhelming good in their conscious life.
[00:17:12] Speaker A: That really drives it home. That's why they know evil.
The potential remains linked to its source and why they're incomplete righteous. The love wasn't absolute enough for total transformation.
[00:17:22] Speaker B: The difference is profound, even if subtle in its manifestation.
Subjugation versus transformation. Holding down versus changing entirely.
[00:17:30] Speaker A: Now the text brings in another term for the perfect righteous. Right?
[00:17:34] Speaker B: Yes. Another very significant superior men. Or maybe more literally, men of Ascent. This highlights a whole other dimension of their work.
[00:17:41] Speaker A: Men of Ascent. It sounds like climbing, elevating. Why that? The Source gives two main reasons.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: You said two interconnected reasons. Yeah. The first connects directly back to their inner transformation, the knowing only good part. They're called Men of Ascent because they literally convert evil and make it ascend to holiness.
[00:17:58] Speaker A: Make evil ascend by transforming it.
[00:18:01] Speaker B: Taking that negative potential within them and elevating its energy from a low negative state to a high positive holy state. It's not just neutralizing it, it's lifting it up.
[00:18:12] Speaker A: So they actively raise it up.
[00:18:13] Speaker B: Right. The Source uses a quote from an old mystical text about entering a high spiritual realm, saying only those who have converted the darkness to light and transformed the bitter taste to sweetness can enter. It illustrates his idea of transforming dark, bitter Negativity into light, sweet holiness. That's an ascent.
[00:18:33] Speaker A: So their inner work has this upward dynamic, pulling negativity up into holiness. It's an act of elevation.
[00:18:38] Speaker B: Exactly. That's reason one. Reason two connects more to their being complete righteous, their absolute love. It's about their spiritual service, their actions. The text says their service, doing good deeds, following divine instructions, is done purely for the sake of the divine itself, aimed at activating the very highest spiritual realms.
[00:18:56] Speaker A: So their motivation is different from others. Even the imperfect righteous.
[00:19:00] Speaker B: Totally different. It's not primarily for their own spiritual benefit, not to quench their soul's thirst for God or feel close. Even though those are real effects of the actions.
[00:19:10] Speaker A: Which seems like a natural motivation. Right? Doing things to feel connected.
[00:19:13] Speaker B: Absolutely. And the text acknowledges that. It quotes a teaching, Ho, all who are thirsty go to the waters of divine teaching. Implying that seeking fulfillment that way is valid for many.
But the men of Ascent, they're beyond that. They've transcended even that self focused, though positive motivation. Their service is described as completely altruistic. For God's sake, not their own. The text uses a definition of a pious one as someone benevolent towards their Creator.
[00:19:41] Speaker A: Benevolent towards the Creator how?
[00:19:43] Speaker B: By working to unite the divine with the Divine Presence so that the light of this union reach down even to the lowest worlds. Their goal is cosmic unification, bringing divine light everywhere.
[00:19:56] Speaker A: Wow. Like the analogy used.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Like a child who loves their parents more than themselves, doing everything just for the parents sake. The men of Ascend act purely to please the divine and make the Divine Presence felt everywhere, Especially down here in the physical world.
[00:20:10] Speaker A: Okay, so reason one, elevating internal negativity upwards.
Reason two, altruistic surface drawing divine presence downwards. How do these fit together? The source is. They're complementary.
[00:20:21] Speaker B: Right. Through a core principle.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:23] Speaker B: Action below causes reaction above. Or human ascent triggers divine descent.
[00:20:28] Speaker A: A spiritual cause and effect. Effort going up brings energy coming down.
[00:20:32] Speaker B: Sort of like that. Yeah. A reciprocal flow, human effort upwards results in divine blessing downwards. Now apply that to the men of ascent.
[00:20:40] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:20:40] Speaker B: Their unique work, refining negativity, converting their lower nature, transforming evil. Reason one, that's a massive ascent. Human effort directed upwards, elevating something low into holiness.
[00:20:50] Speaker A: And that powerful upward movement causes the downward flow.
[00:20:55] Speaker B: Exactly. That intense inner ascent then causes the descent, drawing down divine light, presence, benevolence into the world. Every good deed they do, motivated purely altruistically, becomes a channel for this downward flow, bringing holiness into the physical. Which perfectly matches reason too. Their service aims to bring the Divine Presence down.
[00:21:16] Speaker A: That's incredible. So their inner work, transforming their own darkness isn't just personal. The text says it actively draws more goodness into the world. Their inner state impacts external reality.
[00:21:27] Speaker B: That's the profound link the text makes. Their capacity to elevate internal darkness into light makes them conduits for drawing divine light down. Inner ascent enables divine descent.
[00:21:37] Speaker A: And the text finishes this section by talking about how rare these individuals are.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: Yes. It really emphasizes that very few people ever reach this level. It quotes an old saying from a wise teacher. I have seen superior men, and they are but few. And the text applies this specifically to the complete righteous, the Men of Ascent. It's an extremely rare achievement, which really.
[00:21:57] Speaker A: Contrasts with the imperfect righteous level being achievable by potentially many people over time.
[00:22:03] Speaker B: It does. Many can reach the point of subjugating negativity through hard work. But the complete transformation, eradicating any connection to negativity through absolute love and rejection of its opposite, that's presented as exceptionally rare and profound.
[00:22:16] Speaker A: It puts the Men of Ascent in a unique category, a level of inner purity and cosmic impact. That's almost hard to grasp.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: It really does. It's far beyond just being good. It's a fundamental change in spiritual substance and world impact.
[00:22:32] Speaker A: Okay, let's try to wrap our heads around what we've covered from chapter 10. We've explored these two levels of righteous individuals. First, the imperfect righteous right, where negativity.
[00:22:41] Speaker B: Is totally controlled, nullified by goodness, but a tiny unfelt trace remains, linked to a very high, but not quite absolute love for the divine.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: And then the rare complete righteous, where.
[00:22:53] Speaker B: Negativity is actually transformed into good through an absolute intense love of delights. This supreme love fuels an equally absolute rejection of opposing forces, empowering that conversion.
[00:23:04] Speaker A: And we learned they're also called Men.
[00:23:06] Speaker B: Of Ascent, highlighting two connected.
Their work elevating internal darkness to light, and their purely altruistic service drawing divine light down into the world.
The inner work enables the outer impact.
[00:23:19] Speaker A: Yeah, the text paints this incredibly detailed picture. It really makes you think about the difference between just controlling urges and truly transforming that underlying potential.
[00:23:28] Speaker B: And it stresses that transformation hinges on that supreme level of love, a love so complete it leaves zero room, even subconsciously, for any connection to negativity.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: So thinking about this for yourself, listening in, maybe these levels feel way out there, abstract.
But the text shows a spectrum. It makes you wonder, where does that tension play out in your inner life between the higher and lower?
[00:23:52] Speaker B: Are you mostly focused on managing and suppressing the negative when it pops up, which is already a huge accomplishment? Or does this idea of actually transforming the root potential, changing its nature, resonate as a deeper possibility for your own inner work?
[00:24:06] Speaker A: And that provocative idea about the men of ascent? Yeah.
[00:24:10] Speaker B: If transforming inner darkness and serving altruistically can, according to this text, literally draw more light and goodness into the whole world, what might that imply about the power of your efforts, even the small ones?
[00:24:23] Speaker A: Is personal growth somehow inherently linked to uplifting the world around us?
[00:24:28] Speaker B: That's definitely something deep to think about.
[00:24:30] Speaker A: Absolutely. Well, thanks for joining us for this deep dive into these really complex and fascinating ideas about the inner journey laid out in this text.
