Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Okay, let's unpack this. Imagine a concept so, so radical. It kind of turns our usual understanding of self and divinity on its head.
What if your soul wasn't just connected to a higher place, but was described as literally a part of God at above?
[00:00:18] Speaker B: Right.
[00:00:18] Speaker A: Not just from him, but of him. Stop and think about that for a second. Your very essence, a piece of the divine itself. That's. That's a concept that immediately demands attention, doesn't it?
[00:00:28] Speaker B: It absolutely does. And the ancient source texts were immerse. Immersing ourselves in. Today, it dives deep into this very idea, insisting on its literal truth.
[00:00:37] Speaker A: Insisting. Okay.
[00:00:38] Speaker B: Yeah. It offers a very specific and, I think, profound perspective on the nature and origin of the soul. It draws on these deep wisdom traditions and presents its own intricate, compelling logic.
[00:00:50] Speaker A: Right. So our source material is this powerful piece of writing, and we've also got some equally insightful accompanying notes that really dig in.
[00:00:57] Speaker B: They help clarify things.
[00:00:58] Speaker A: Exactly. On the surface, text like this can feel dense, maybe a little intimidating.
[00:01:02] Speaker B: You know, sure they can be.
[00:01:04] Speaker A: But our mission in this deep dive is to cut through that. We want to extract the core ideas, understand their, well, surprising implications, and make them clear for you listening.
We're going to get to the heart of what this profound statement truly means.
[00:01:19] Speaker B: And as we do, we'll definitely bump up against some fundamental questions that naturally arise from this premise.
[00:01:25] Speaker A: Like what?
[00:01:25] Speaker B: Well, if the soul is truly a part of jinnery, what does that radical connection actually entail? You know, what does it mean? Okay, and then how can souls be so incredibly, vastly different? We see such a spectrum from the most elevated spiritual giants to those seemingly at the most basic levels.
[00:01:43] Speaker A: Right. The wenge is huge.
[00:01:44] Speaker B: If they all stem from the single ultimate source, how does that work?
[00:01:48] Speaker A: That's a big one.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: And what factors, whether in the spiritual realms, way up high or right here in our physical lives, actually influence a soul's standing? Or, say, how effectively it can function? What makes the difference?
[00:02:00] Speaker A: So settle in, everyone. Get ready to explore some truly deep concepts.
[00:02:04] Speaker B: Yeah, deep, but fascinating.
[00:02:06] Speaker A: We'll unpack them using these powerful analogies provided right in the text and piece together a picture of the soul that might be very different from what you've considered it before.
[00:02:15] Speaker B: Hopefully we'll figure out what this unique understanding tells you about your own essence and. And your place in the world.
[00:02:22] Speaker A: Let's dive in. Okay, let's jump right into the most striking, almost startling idea that this text presents from the very beginning.
[00:02:30] Speaker B: The core idea.
[00:02:31] Speaker A: Yes. It tells us that the second soul, which is described as specific to Jewish people in this context is truly a part of GD above.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: And you really have to appreciate how much emphasis the Source puts on that word. Truly.
[00:02:45] Speaker A: It singles it out.
[00:02:47] Speaker B: It does. It goes out of its way to ensure you don't just dismiss this as, you know, poetic language or hyperbole.
[00:02:53] Speaker A: That's saying a skyscraper reaches the heavens.
[00:02:55] Speaker B: Exactly. It gives that kind of example. You might read about great and fortified cities reaching into the heavens. And you understand that's not literally true. It's just a way of emphasizing their height.
[00:03:04] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:03:05] Speaker B: But this text insists really strongly that the description of the soul being a part of GED is not like that. So it's different completely. It means it literally. It's not an exaggeration. It's presented as a statement of its fundamental reality.
[00:03:21] Speaker A: Wow. Okay. That immediately elevates the discussion. It's not just a nice thought. It's a foundational claim.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: Right.
[00:03:27] Speaker A: So how does the Source back up such an extraordinary, almost unbelievable claim?
What evidence or reasoning does it provide to ground this idea? Because that's a huge assertion.
[00:03:39] Speaker B: It grounds it by drawing on foundational texts and long held traditions. It quotes a key verse from the foundational scriptures describing how G Dog created the first human saying, and he blew into his nostrils a soul of life.
[00:03:53] Speaker A: He blew?
[00:03:54] Speaker B: Yes. And it connects this deeply, this specific action of blowing to a phrase found in a common daily prayer. Many people say this regularly about their own soul. You blew it into me.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: Ah, so the connection is made through that specific verb the action described. Blowing.
[00:04:08] Speaker B: Precisely.
[00:04:09] Speaker A: What's the significance of that particular metaphor in this context? Why is blowing so important here, rather than, say, forming or creating?
[00:04:17] Speaker B: That's a great question. The Source explains this by referencing a concept found in ancient wisdom traditions, which is simply, he who blows blows from within him.
[00:04:26] Speaker A: From within.
[00:04:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Think about that simple physical act.
When you blow air out, it doesn't just come from your mouth or your lips.
[00:04:33] Speaker A: No. It comes from deeper.
[00:04:35] Speaker B: It originates deep inside you, from your lungs. It's propelled by effort and vitality from your core being. It's an act that engages your inwardness, your innermost self.
[00:04:45] Speaker A: Okay, I get that.
[00:04:46] Speaker B: So the Source argues that when this metaphor is applied to gd, blowing the soul into the first human, it signifies something profound. It means the soul originates not from some external command or a detached creative act.
[00:04:59] Speaker A: Like making something separate.
[00:05:00] Speaker B: Exactly. But rather, it comes from Jiji's innermost, most essential and most vital aspect. It's like Ji is sharing something directly from the core of who he is.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: That image is incredibly powerful. It's a completely different picture than just imagining Ji creating something apart from himself, like a potter creating a vessel. This sounds much more like an emanation, a direct sharing of being.
[00:05:22] Speaker B: Precisely. That's the implication. And the Source reinforces this connection to GD's essence by linking it to another concept often used to describe the relationship between Jiti and people. The designation of the Jewish people as Jyoti's children.
It says that these souls rise in divine thought almost or analogous to how a child stems from its father's brain. This concept of a child originating from the father's brain is presented here as a parallel or analogy for the soul's origin directly from GD's thought or Giedi's wisdom.
[00:05:55] Speaker A: Okay, so the source is saying the soul comes from GD's thought or wisdom.
[00:05:58] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:05:59] Speaker A: That sounds like a very high, perhaps intellectual source.
[00:06:02] Speaker B: Yes. The text states clearly that the soul is derived from GD's thought and wisdom. That's the identified origin point.
[00:06:09] Speaker A: But it goes further, right?
[00:06:10] Speaker B: It does. It doesn't just leave it there. It takes this concept to a crucial, almost mind bending level. It does this by quoting a renowned medieval philosopher and echoing ideas found in other deep wisdom traditions. These teachings emphasize that when we speak of Ji having wisdom, it's fundamentally different from human wisdom. It's not with a wisdom that is known to us created beings.
[00:06:32] Speaker A: Why not? What's the key difference?
[00:06:33] Speaker B: Because with Jeed, he and his wisdom are one. That's the core point.
[00:06:37] Speaker A: He is his wisdom.
[00:06:38] Speaker B: Yes. This is the key difference between divine wisdom and human wisdom. For us, the person who knows, the knower, the knowledge they possess, and the subject being known are all distinct, separate entities.
You know something, but you are not the knowledge itself, nor are you the thing known.
[00:06:57] Speaker A: Right. They're separate for us.
[00:06:58] Speaker B: But with Ji, according to this source, drawing on these traditions, these three aspects, knower, knowledge, and known, are completely unified. They are his very being. It's an indivisible unity.
[00:07:11] Speaker A: Whoa, okay, unpack that just a little more. That's a huge philosophical jump. So if Je's wisdom is Ji himself, than the soul coming from divine wisdom, what does that ultimately mean for the soul?
[00:07:22] Speaker B: It means it's coming directly from Jeed's.
[00:07:24] Speaker A: Very being, not just from an attribute, but from his essence.
[00:07:27] Speaker B: Exactly. That's the explicit conclusion the Source draws. Since G D's wisdom is unified with God himself, a soul stemming from that divine wisdom actually derives directly from Ji self, his very essence, as it manifests in his Wisdom.
This is how the Source logically reinforces and explains that initial radical statement that the soul is truly a part of gd.
[00:07:51] Speaker A: I see the argument now.
[00:07:52] Speaker B: It's not just a created entity like GD or reflecting gd. It's presented as a direct emanation from the divine essence itself, specifically from the aspect we call his wisdom.
[00:08:02] Speaker A: That is a massive foundational idea. It really sets the stage for everything else we're going to discuss. The soul's origin isn't just high, it's fundamentally divine, integrated with GD's very being in this specific way.
[00:08:14] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:08:14] Speaker A: What stands out to you about establishing this kind of foundation right at the beginning? How does it shape our entire understanding of the soul before we even talk about its experiences or functions down here in this world?
[00:08:24] Speaker B: Well, I think what's so powerful about this foundation is its absolute nature.
The insistence that this is truly a part of GD immediately shifts our perspective. It's not metaphorical, right?
[00:08:35] Speaker A: The literalness?
[00:08:36] Speaker B: Yes. It means the soul isn't just, say, a recipient of GD's influence or a creation made from afar. It is inherently connected, fundamentally rooted in divinity itself. Itself.
[00:08:48] Speaker A: So every soul has this inherent status.
[00:08:50] Speaker B: According to this text? Yes. This establishes a kind of non negotiable dignity and potential for every single soul, regardless of how it might appear on the surface. It forces us to see the soul not just by what it does, but by what it is at its core, something divine.
[00:09:05] Speaker A: That's a profound starting point.
[00:09:07] Speaker B: It is, and it sets a really high bar. It also makes the subsequent discussion about diversity and descent even more intriguing. Even more puzzling in a way.
[00:09:14] Speaker A: How so?
[00:09:15] Speaker B: Because how can something so utterly unified with GD at its source appear so vast, different in its manifestation? If the origin is 1, where does the difference come from?
[00:09:24] Speaker A: Okay, that makes perfect sense. If the origin is this high and unified, any subsequent differences become a profound puzzle to solve. Right now. The Source introduces a really important nuance here, elaborating on this concept of Jesus Wisdom being one with him. It brings in that philosopher's view, as you mentioned, and also clarifies it using insights from these deeper wisdom traditions.
[00:09:46] Speaker B: Exactly.
The philosopher described Jeet in a way that's incredibly difficult for us to truly grasp as being simultaneously the knowledge, the knower and the known, all three at.
[00:09:57] Speaker A: Once, which, as you said, is completely unlike human experience. For us, the subject who knows the abstract concept of knowledge itself and the specific thing being known are always three separate things.
[00:10:07] Speaker B: Always. Precisely. The Source acknowledges this difficulty, explicitly quoting the philosopher himself. Saying this is beyond human comprehension. We can state the words, but truly grasping what it means for a being to be scientific, simultaneous all three is beyond our created intellect.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: It's hard to even imagine it is.
[00:10:25] Speaker B: But the Source adds a crucial clarification drawn from these wisdom traditions, often called Kabbalah. It agrees that Gedi can be described this knowledge knower, known, unified, but only when applied to Deity's manifestation within a specific structured spiritual reality, not GD in his absolute unknowable state.
[00:10:45] Speaker A: Ah, okay, so it applies, but with a condition.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: Yes. The concept introduced here is that GD's infinite unbounded light, imagined pure limitless energy or consciousness, is clothed or contained through a process.
This process involves many self limitations, often called contractions or tsin sumim in the original language, though we'll stick to English.
[00:11:04] Speaker A: Concepts like focusing a beam.
[00:11:06] Speaker B: Sort of, yes. Think of it like an infinite light source that limits and focuses itself into specific beams or frequencies to allow for the existence of distinct realities, distinct attributes. This process happens first in a specific, very high spiritual realm, described as the world of emanation.
[00:11:22] Speaker A: Emanation.
[00:11:23] Speaker B: And within this world of emanation, Geod manifests in aspects we can relate to, aspects we call divine intellect, which includes wisdom, understanding and knowledge. These are the highest vessels or structures within creation.
[00:11:36] Speaker A: So wait, the idea about Geod being knowledge, knower and known, where those are all one, that applies to GD as he is expressed or contained within this specific world of emanation?
[00:11:47] Speaker B: Yes, exactly.
[00:11:48] Speaker A: It's GD as he is accessible or revealed at that very high but still defined level.
[00:11:53] Speaker B: Precisely. The Source is very careful to clarify that this description knower knowledge known as one, does not apply to GD's absolute transcendent essence, which exists infinitely above and beyond this level of emanation.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: So there's something even higher than this wisdom source.
[00:12:08] Speaker B: Infinitely higher. The infinite unknowable essence of GD is infinitely exalted over and transcends even this level of divine knowledge or wisdom as it is manifested in the world of emanation. The Source quotes directly to really underscore this point. It says the infinite, blessed be he, is infinitely exalted over and transcends the essence and level of wisdom, understanding and knowledge.
[00:12:31] Speaker A: That's quite definitive.
[00:12:32] Speaker B: And to emphasize the vastness of this transcendence, it goes even further. It makes a stunning statement. It says that this level of divine intellectual wisdom, understanding knowledge, which is the absolute highest level within the structured spiritual.
[00:12:46] Speaker A: World, the source of the soul.
[00:12:48] Speaker B: Yes. Is actually regarded as equally inferior, as simple Material action in relation to Jade's absolute essence.
[00:12:56] Speaker A: Wait. Wisdom is as low as action compared to his essence?
[00:12:59] Speaker B: Compared to his absolute essence? Yes. The Source interprets the verse. You have made them all with wisdom in this light. It means that compared to Ji's unknowable essence, even his wisdom, the source of creation, is considered as low solely as physical action, which we usually think of as the absolute bottom rung of reality.
[00:13:18] Speaker A: Okay. That adds a crucial layer of understanding. So, while the soul comes from divine wisdom, which is unified with gd, we're talking about, GD is manifested within a specific, albeit incredibly high, spiritual reality. The world emanation, not GD's absolute, unbounded, unknowable essence.
[00:13:34] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:13:35] Speaker A: This helps us grasp how the soul can be truly part of gd, but still exist within a created or emanated framework. It's part of GD as revealed, not part of the absolute infinite essence itself.
[00:13:47] Speaker B: Correct. It grounds the soul's origin in the highest level of divinity. That is the source of creation, the first step in the unfolding of reality from the infinite. But it simultaneously preserves the critical concept of GD's absolute transcendence, making sure we understand that any created or emanating reality, even the very highest, like divine wisdom, is still infinitely removed from GD's ultimate unknowable essence.
[00:14:11] Speaker A: How does this understanding that the soul comes from wisdom, but wisdom as manifested within a specific framework distinct from absolute essence, how does that help us understand the soul's potential? Or maybe its limitations?
[00:14:22] Speaker B: Well, what it tells us is that the soul's root is in a reality that is unified with Djed, Jat, knower, knowledge known or one, but is still within the realm from which distinct existence emanates. It's the Source point of differentiation.
[00:14:37] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:14:37] Speaker B: This means the soul carries the imprint of that unity of being, part of Djed. But it also originates from a point before the absolute infinite, a point where limitation and structure begin.
[00:14:48] Speaker A: I see.
[00:14:49] Speaker B: And this sets the stage perfectly for the next major question the text tackles. If its origin is so high and unified, how can souls possibly be so different from one another when they come into being?
It creates the tension, the paradox, that the rest of the Source seeks to resolve.
[00:15:05] Speaker A: Right. Speaking of that puzzle.
[00:15:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: So Source now turns its attention squarely to the most obvious question that arises from this idea of a single high source.
[00:15:13] Speaker B: The big question.
[00:15:14] Speaker A: Yeah. If all souls come from the same place, Supernal wisdom, divine wisdom, which is unified with JD in that specific sense we just clarified, why are souls so incredibly, astonishingly different? From one another.
[00:15:24] Speaker B: It is the fundamental question, isn't it? Because the text itself acknowledges the immense variation. It speaks of myriads of different gradations, seemingly endless levels of souls.
[00:15:36] Speaker A: Myriads, countless types.
[00:15:38] Speaker B: Yes. And think about the difference portrayed between the souls of the most foundational figures in history, people like the patriarchs or Moses, compared to the souls found in later, perhaps less spiritually intense generations.
[00:15:51] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:15:51] Speaker B: The source uses powerful, even stark physical analogies to illustrate this gap.
It describes the souls of later generations as being like the soles of the feet when compared to the brain or head of those earlier towering souls.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: That imagery is really intense. Brain versus nails, head versus feet. It's not subtle. It really underscores just how vast these perceived differences in spiritual level are. It's not just a little bit different. It sounds like a radical contrast.
[00:16:19] Speaker B: Absolutely. And the text notes similar disparities even within a single time period. Within one generation, you have the souls of the great leaders, the spiritual giants versus the the souls of the masses, the wise versus the ignorant. And even within what we might think of as a single individual soul, there are different inherent levels or aspects, sometimes referred to with terms that denote ascending levels of spiritual vitality or consciousness, like nefesh, ruas, neshama in the original terms, but basically different layers within.
[00:16:46] Speaker A: So you have these profound multi layered variations described using these potent analogies derived from the hierarchy of parts within the human body.
[00:16:55] Speaker B: Exactly. Head, brain, heart, feet, nails representing vastly different levels.
[00:17:01] Speaker A: So how in the world does this source reconcile the idea of a single, unified, incredibly high source with the undeniable reality of such radical, almost hierarchical differences in souls? That seems like a fundamental contradiction.
[00:17:14] Speaker B: It does seem like one. And this is where the text introduces its central unifying analogy to explain this paradox. It's the analogy we touched on briefly before. The analogy of a child being derived from its father's brain.
[00:17:25] Speaker A: The father's brain. Okay, I remember that. How does that analogy provide the key to bridging this gap between the unity of the source and the diversity of the outcome?
[00:17:33] Speaker B: The analogy starts with a premise which was apparently rooted in ancient biological thought, that a child's entire physical body, every single part from the highly developed brain all the way down to the seemingly simple nails of the sheet, is derived from a single source originating in the father.
[00:17:51] Speaker A: One source for everything.
[00:17:52] Speaker B: Yes.
Specifically, the source identifies this origin as a single drop of semen, which in this ancient understanding itself originates in the father's brain. The brain was seen as the ultimate source of vitality.
[00:18:06] Speaker A: Okay, I see the parallels starting to form, you have one single source, this drop originating in the father's brain.
But through some process, it creates things in the child that are wildly different from each other. Like the child's own brain versus the child's nails, or the heart or the bones. They're all part of the child, but so different in function and structure.
[00:18:25] Speaker B: Exactly. It immediately illustrates how something originating from a single unified high place, the father's brain in the analogy, can, in its manifestation, produce radically different outcomes.
[00:18:36] Speaker A: Brain versus nails in the child.
[00:18:38] Speaker B: That clarifies the principle. Yes. The Source uses this biological analogy. Whether scientifically accurate today or not, isn't the point. It's the principle to illustrate a spiritual truth. How something that originates from a single high spiritual source, that supernal wisdom unified with gang, can, through a subsequent process, produce vastly different spiritual outcomes, particularly at its lower extremities, spiritually speaking. Just as the brain and the nails are dramatically different parts of the physical body, both originating from that single drop, different souls can be vastly different while originating from the single divine wisdom.
[00:19:17] Speaker A: That makes the problem very clear and sets up the need for an explanation of the process involved using this powerful, if maybe slightly unusual to modern ears. Kimmage. So what is the process that causes this differentiation? How does the single source become so many different levels?
[00:19:32] Speaker B: Right, and the Source explains that the difference between souls, their various levels and gradations, comes about through a process of descent.
[00:19:38] Speaker A: Descent going down.
[00:19:39] Speaker B: Yes. It's just like that single drop of semen in the analogy doesn't immediately become a fully formed body. Right. It undergoes a dramatic process of transformation and development during the nine months of gestation in the mother's womb.
[00:19:52] Speaker A: A whole complex process.
[00:19:54] Speaker B: A hugely complex process. And that physical development process transforms the single source material into all the distinct and differentiated body parts. The soul similarly undergoes changes and differentiations as it descends from its high source.
[00:20:08] Speaker A: Okay, descent from where exactly? And through what stages does it pass?
[00:20:12] Speaker B: Good question.
The soul descends from its very high source in supernal wisdom, which resides, as we said, at the pinnacle of the spiritual worlds in that world of emanation, the highest one. Right. From there, it doesn't just, you know, pop into existence down here in a body. It passes down through a sequence of distinct spiritual worlds or stages in the creative process. These worlds represent progressively lower levels of spiritual reality, each one a step further removed, more concealed from the absolute unity of the Source.
[00:20:42] Speaker A: And the Source names these worlds?
[00:20:44] Speaker B: It does. It specifically mentions four main spiritual worlds in descending order, and it gives a sense of what characterizes each one. Okay, first, highest is the world of emanation.
As we discussed, this realm is described as still being intimately united with Geordi, almost like an extension of the divine essence itself.
Things here are described as being delegates or very near to the Source, still fundamentally unified, still very close, very below. That is the world of creation.
This is described as the first true creatio ex nihilo, creation from absolute nothingness. Something truly other than the divine begins here. But even here, it's still an existence that is fundamentally formless, not yet structured into distinct entities as we might understand them. Think pure potential, formless potential.
[00:21:33] Speaker A: Got it.
[00:21:33] Speaker B: Next in the descent is the world of formation.
This is the spiritual realm where things created from nothing begin to take on definite shape, shape, structure and form. It's where distinct spiritual beings, angels, different spiritual realities are formed.
[00:21:47] Speaker A: Things get specific here, shapes and forms appear.
[00:21:50] Speaker B: Right. And finally, there is the world of action.
Now, this usually refers first to the completed spiritual creation, the final realm of structured spiritual existence that exists just above or prior to the manifestation of our dense physical world. It's the blueprint fully realized in spiritual terms.
[00:22:09] Speaker A: Okay, the spiritual template for our world.
[00:22:10] Speaker B: Sort of, yes. So the soul, coming from that high source and divine wisdom within emanation, travels down through this specific chain like order of descent, passing through creation, formation and spiritual action.
[00:22:23] Speaker A: Yes, that's the term the Source uses, the chain like order of descent. It's pictured as a chain linking these distinct realms. The soul passes through all these worlds from its origin and supernal wisdom at the very top down through emanation, creation, formation and action, until it is ready finally to enter and animate a physical body in this lowest physical world. It's quite a journey.
[00:22:43] Speaker B: It is indeed. And the Source explicitly applies the father child analogy here again, just as the single drop of semen is fundamentally transformed, shaped and differentiated by the nine month process of gestation in the womb into things as different as the brain and the nails. The soul is transformed, differentiated, and ultimately assigned its level by its passage through these spiritual worlds.
Its final state is determined by the degree to which it is affected by this descent.
[00:23:14] Speaker A: So the logic is that the further the soul descends through this chain of worlds, and maybe the more it is affected or clothed by the nature of the lower realms it passes through, the more, let's say, materialized or seemingly changed it becomes.
[00:23:27] Speaker B: That's the idea.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: Resulting in what appear to be lower levels of souls when it arrives down here in this world.
[00:23:32] Speaker B: That is precisely the Source's explanation for the vast diversity among souls. It states quite clearly that the Souls of, say, simple folk and common people, those seen as being at the lowest levels, like the feet or nails in the analogy, came into being or ended up at that level because they were most strongly affected, most transformed, and differentiated by this descent through the chain of worlds. The various levels of souls we perceive, from the highest spiritual leaders of a generation down to the most seemingly simple individual, are determined by the degree to which they were impacted and changed by this passage through the spiritual world worlds.
[00:24:08] Speaker A: Okay. That framework provides a clear, albeit very mystical, explanation for how such immense difference can arise from a fundamentally unified source. It uses that compelling, if ancient, analogy of gestation, combined with this concept of descent through distinct spiritual realms, to make a complex spiritual idea somewhat understandable.
[00:24:29] Speaker B: It maps it out conceptually.
[00:24:31] Speaker A: Right. So, given this process of descent and differentiation, or what are the implications for the soul's connection back to its origin? Does this descent mean that the lower souls, the nails, so to speak, are now somehow distant or fundamentally disconnected from their high source? In nigger's wisdom, have they lost that original connection?
[00:24:48] Speaker B: Oh, this brings us to the second and equally vital part of the father child analogy. And it's quite profound, I think, in its implications for connection.
The source states that even though the original drop of semen was altered so dramatically during gestation that it eventually became things like nails, which are physically very different and physically quite far from the brain, those nails are still bound and united in a wondrous and mighty unity with their original essence and being that came from the father's brain. The connection isn't broken.
[00:25:21] Speaker A: Even the nails. How does the source explain how the nails, these sort of far off extremities, remain connected to such a distant origin point like the father's brain?
[00:25:30] Speaker B: In the analogy, it explains that the nails don't receive their nourishment or their life force directly from the father's brain anymore. That connection is too distant now.
Instead, they receive their vitality, their life, from the child's brain. The brain within the child's own body nourishes the nails of that body.
[00:25:46] Speaker A: Right. That makes sense biologically.
[00:25:48] Speaker B: And that child's brain, having itself originated from the father's brain, from that initial drop, retains the substance and a direct connection to its original source, the father's brain.
So the nails are connected to the father's brain, but through the intermediary of the son's brain?
[00:26:05] Speaker A: Ah, that's a key detail. The connection isn't severed by the differentiation and distance it's maintained, but it becomes an indirect connection. It's mediated through A higher part of the system, the child's brain, which retained more of the original essence or is closer to the origin.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: Exactly. That's the crucial mechanism described in the analogy. Now apply this powerful image to souls, even souls that have descended to the lowest levels through the chain of worlds. The soles of the feet or the nails are still bound up and united in a profound way with their original essence and root back in supernal wisdom.
Their fundamental connection to their divine origin is not severed by the descent and differentiation.
[00:26:44] Speaker A: Okay, so the connection persists. But who acts as the intermediary in the case of souls? What's the spiritual equivalent of the child's brain connecting the nails back to the Father's brain?
[00:26:54] Speaker B: The Source explains that the nurture, the spiritual life force, and the connection for the lower souls. The souls of the simple folk or common people in this model are drawn from the souls of the righteous and.
[00:27:06] Speaker A: The sages, the leaders and wise people.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: Yes. These higher souls are described as the spiritual heads or brains of Israel and their generation. They represent the highest spiritual levels currently manifest in the world, those closest to the Source.
[00:27:21] Speaker A: So they act as the bridge, they.
[00:27:23] Speaker B: Act as the intermediary, the conduit. Just as the nails are nourished and connected by the Son's brain, which itself is directly connected back to the Father's brain, the lower souls are nourished and draw their spiritual life and connection from the souls of the scholars and the righteous.
[00:27:37] Speaker A: Why them specifically?
[00:27:38] Speaker B: Because these higher souls, having perhaps descended less affected or having refined themselves more, are the ones who retain that head or brain level connection more strongly to the ultimate source, supernal wisdom. And it's through them, through their spiritual vitality and connection, that the lower souls maintain their own vital connection back to the Origin.
[00:27:59] Speaker A: Wow, that's a remarkable concept. It means that even if a soul has seemingly descended far down the chain and appears very different from its source, its fundamental connection back to its divine origin is maintained and actually flows through these higher souls, like those of the wise and righteous individuals in that generation.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: Yes, they become essential links.
[00:28:20] Speaker A: That's a mechanism of connection most people probably wouldn't intuitively consider. It implies a kind of spiritual interdependence, a deep interdependence.
[00:28:29] Speaker B: And what's particularly fascinating here is how the Source uses this very concept, lower souls connecting through higher souls, to provide a profound understanding for a specific, well known teaching found in ancient wisdom texts.
[00:28:41] Speaker A: Oh, which teaching is that? How does this explain something else?
[00:28:45] Speaker B: The Source mentions the famous teaching related to the biblical verse and cleave unto him you know, cleave to die.
[00:28:50] Speaker A: Right. I know the verse.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: This verse presents an apparent paradox which the sages discussed. How can a finite, physical, mortal human being possibly cleave or attach themselves directly to the infinite, incorporeal divine Ga? It seems impossible.
[00:29:04] Speaker A: Like trying to grab smoke.
[00:29:06] Speaker B: Exactly. How do you attach? The answer given in the ancient texts is he who cleaves unto a Torah scholar, meaning, attaches themselves to a wise person steeped in divine wisdom, is deemed by the Torah to have actually become attached to the divine Presence.
[00:29:23] Speaker A: Okay, I've heard that teaching, but it always sounded like. Well, like a huge leap. How can attaching oneself to another human being, even a very wise or righteous one, possibly be considered equivalent to cleaving to guise himself?
That seems almost metaphorical.
[00:29:39] Speaker B: But the Source explains that in light of the analogy we just discussed, the nails connecting to the Father's brain via the Son's brain. It makes perfect logical sense within this framework.
[00:29:48] Speaker A: How so?
[00:29:49] Speaker B: By attaching themselves by cleaving to scholars, which implies dedicating themselves to their teachings, following their guidance, connecting to their spiritual being, the souls of the simple folk become bound and united with their spiritual root back in supernal wisdom. They access the Source through the scholar.
[00:30:05] Speaker A: Ah, the scholar is the intermediate.
[00:30:06] Speaker B: Yes.
And as we established right at the beginning, since JD and his wisdom are completely unified, this attachment to their roop via the scholar effectively means they are cleaving to joy himself. The connection flows through the intermediary, who is already connected.
[00:30:23] Speaker A: So the scholars in this spiritual framework presented by the Source are acting as the brain in the analogy?
[00:30:29] Speaker B: Precisely.
[00:30:30] Speaker A: They are the spiritual conduits, the vital link that connects the nails, the lower souls, back to the ultimate Source in Jody's wisdom and presence.
[00:30:39] Speaker B: That's the role described. Their spiritual state and connection are crucial not only for themselves, but for providing a lifeline, a pathway for less elevated souls to maintain their connection to the Divine.
[00:30:50] Speaker A: That completely transforms the understanding of the role of wise and righteous people in the world. They're not just teachers or moral examples in this view.
[00:30:57] Speaker B: No, much more than that.
[00:30:58] Speaker A: They are presented here as essential spiritual lifelines, vital links in the great chain of being that connects all souls back to their ultimate source. That's a heavy responsibility.
[00:31:07] Speaker B: It is. And the Source even touches on a more difficult case which actually underscores the strength and inevitability of this connection, even when it's not positive.
[00:31:16] Speaker A: What case is that?
[00:31:17] Speaker B: It addresses those who willfully sin and rebel against the sages or their teachings. People who actively oppose this channel of connection. How do they receive any spiritual nourishment or connection if they're in direct opposition?
[00:31:31] Speaker A: Good question. Does their connection get severed?
[00:31:34] Speaker B: No.
Surprisingly, the Source says their spiritual nurture comes from the hind part, as it were, of the souls of the scholars.
[00:31:41] Speaker A: A hind part that definitely needs clarification. What does that peculiar phrase signify?
Sounds not good.
[00:31:48] Speaker B: It does sound negative. The Source explains this using another analogy. It's like someone giving an object to an enemy, someone they dislike or disapprove of.
They don't genuinely want to give it. They are reluctant, maybe even forced to. So their reluctance or opposition shows in the manner of giving. Perhaps they turn away and toss the object over their shoulder, or give it grudgingly, with averted eyes.
[00:32:09] Speaker A: Like giving unwillingly?
[00:32:10] Speaker B: Exactly. It's an external act of giving, maybe done out of some external necessity or cosmic rule, but not from a place of inner desire or positive connection.
Spiritually receiving from the hind part implies a grudging external or significantly diminished level of nurture and connection.
It's not the free flowing internal vitality received by someone who is truly cleaving and aligned.
[00:32:34] Speaker A: So it's like getting the bare minimum, reluctantly given something like that.
[00:32:37] Speaker B: Nevertheless, and this is the crucial and really surprising point the Source makes, they still receive some connection. Even those who rebel against the sages, those who are spiritually distant or antagonistic, still draw some measure of spiritual life and connection to the Source, albeit in this diminished hind part.
[00:32:54] Speaker A: Why? Why maintain any connection at all for rebels?
[00:32:56] Speaker B: Because, as the Source explained earlier with the Descent model, every single soul must fundamentally and without exception, remain bound up with its root and source in supernal wisdom. It's an ontological necessity. In this system, the level of nurture they receive might be compromised, coming from the hind part of the sages souls, indicating a less desirable, less effective and indirect connection. But the inherent link in itself is presented as undeniable, unbreakable. It highlights the soul's fundamental, inescapable tie to its divine origin. Even in states of rebellion or deep spiritual distance, the connection might become pathological or strained, but it's never fully severed.
[00:33:34] Speaker A: That really drives home the idea of an inherent, undeniable link of the soul to its source, no matter how low it seems to have fallen or how difficult its state. Even when actively opposing the conduits of connection, the link isn't fully severed, just diminished and externalized, maybe even negative in quality.
[00:33:50] Speaker B: That seems to be the implication now, building on this foundational idea, that every soul has this fundamental divine origin and Inherent connection. The Source moves to address something that might seem counterintuitive, especially in how we often think about spiritual standing or merit.
[00:34:08] Speaker A: Okay, what's that?
[00:34:09] Speaker B: It tackles the question of whether things that happen down here in the physical world can actually determine a soul's inherent rank or its intrinsic spiritual level.
[00:34:20] Speaker A: This touches on a really sensitive ground, doesn't it? Like, does being born into certain circumstances, rich or poor, educated or not, or having parents of a certain spiritual level, does that define the child's soul level right from the outset?
[00:34:32] Speaker B: Exactly. That's the kind of question it addresses. The Source brings up a statement found in ancient texts like the Zohar that seems to imply this very thing.
[00:34:39] Speaker A: What does that statement say?
[00:34:41] Speaker B: It says that a significant factor, maybe even the essential factor in determining a child's spiritual state, their inherent spiritual predisposition, is how the parents conduct themselves, particularly during a specific intimate moment.
It emphasizes the profound impact of holiness and sanctification during that time.
[00:35:01] Speaker A: Right. I think I've encountered ideas like that.
[00:35:03] Speaker B: And this statement, if you take it at face value, appears to suggest that a physical action performed by the parents here in this physical world can directly influence and determine the intrinsic spiritual level or rank of the child's soul that comes into the world.
[00:35:18] Speaker A: That sounds like physical actions dictating spiritual essence.
[00:35:21] Speaker B: It does. But the Source we're exploring steps in and clarifies that this statement isn't actually referring to the soul's fundamental rank itself, its inherent level.
[00:35:29] Speaker A: Oh, so what is it referring to then?
[00:35:32] Speaker B: Correct. This is a crucial clarification the Source makes, reconciling this ancient teaching with its own model of soul levels being determined by descent. It explains that the statement in those ancient texts refers not to the soul's essential rank or its intrinsic spiritual level.
[00:35:46] Speaker A: Which, as we discussed, is determined from above by its descent through the worlds.
[00:35:50] Speaker B: Exactly. That's predetermined before birth. Instead, the Source says that statement about parental conduct refers to the souls of spiritual garment.
[00:36:00] Speaker A: Garment? Like clothing for the soul?
[00:36:02] Speaker B: Metaphorically, yes. The Source introduces this concept of the soul having a spiritual garment.
Every soul, as it comes into this world, is provided with this garment. And crucially, it stems from the soul or the spiritual essence of its parents. Their spiritual state influences this garment.
[00:36:19] Speaker A: Okay, so the parents contribute the garment, not the soul itself.
[00:36:22] Speaker B: Correct. And this garment is incorrect. Incredibly important. The Source explains that it is through this garment that the soul, this incredibly high spiritual entity, is able to affect the physical body. It's also through the garment that the soul performs actions, particularly spiritual actions, like observing Commandments. And interestingly, it's also through this garment that the soul receives divine flow or benevolence from heaven.
[00:36:45] Speaker A: Wow. Okay, so the garment is like the necessary interface, the spiritual clothing, or maybe the apparatus that allows the soul to connect outwards to the body and actions and connect upwards to receive divine flow.
[00:36:58] Speaker B: Yes, that's a great way to put it. It's the means by which the soul connects, expresses itself and operates effectively within this physical and spiritual reality. It mediates between the pure soul and the world.
[00:37:09] Speaker A: So how does parental conduct affect this garment?
[00:37:12] Speaker B: The Source explains that if parents sanctify themselves, if they conduct themselves with holiness and pure intention, particularly at that crucial moment, they draw down a holy garment for the child soul.
[00:37:23] Speaker A: A better quality garment?
[00:37:24] Speaker B: Essentially, yes. This holy garment is like providing the soul with the finest, most suitable spiritual clothing for operating in this world. It facilitates the soul's connection and expression, making it easier for the soul to manifest its potential. It enables the child to serve John Hur and perform positive actions more readily and effectively.
[00:37:43] Speaker A: So following this logic, even a soul that is inherently very great, one that originates from a very high spiritual level determined by its descent, still needs this properly prepared holy garment from its parents to fully express its greatness and function optimally in this world.
[00:38:00] Speaker B: Yes. The Source confirms this explicitly.
It states that even a soul of immense spiritual loftiness, a potentially great soul, needs the father's sanctification, representing the parents efforts for its garment to be appropriately drawn down and prepared for it to enter this physical realm and function well.
The garment quality matters for performance.
[00:38:21] Speaker A: Okay, that makes sense. The interface needs to be good.
[00:38:23] Speaker B: But, and this is the absolutely critical point that the Source stresses distinguishing its perspective, clearly the soul itself, the soul's intrinsic rank and level, which is distinct from this garment, yes. Is not affected by the parents actions, their spiritual level, or their degree of sanctification during conception.
[00:38:39] Speaker A: So the core soul remains unchanged by.
[00:38:42] Speaker B: The parents, unchanged in its fundamental ranks.
The Source makes this point forcefully, explicitly stating that it sometimes happens that the soul of an infinitely lofty person comes to be the son of an ignoble and lowly person, meaning someone of minimal spiritual standing or refinement.
[00:38:59] Speaker A: A great soul born to simple parents.
[00:39:01] Speaker B: Yes. And conversely, it says a soul that is relatively lower in its intrinsic rank based on its descent, can be born to very righteous and holy parents.
The soul level and the parent level don't have to match.
[00:39:14] Speaker A: So the soul's core level is set before it gets here. A person's physical background, their parent's spiritual state, or Actions, the specific circumstances they are born into in this world. These things absolutely influence the soul's garment. Its equipment for living, its ability to function effectively here definitely influences the garment, but they do not determine the soul's inherent spiritual level or rank.
That fundamental level, the Source reiterates, is determined from above by its original descent through the spiritual worlds. As we discussed earlier. That's fixed before entry.
[00:39:44] Speaker B: Precisely. The physical realm and the actions performed within it, including crucial parental actions, can profoundly affect the soul's capacity to operate and fulfill its purpose in this world via the quality of the garment.
But they cannot change the soul's intrinsic rank, its fundamental level, or the inherent loftiness of its divine source that is fixed by the process of its emanation and descent through the worlds long before birth.
[00:40:13] Speaker A: This is a critical distinction with really significant implications.
[00:40:16] Speaker B: I think it is.
[00:40:17] Speaker A: It means that the soul's core value, its fundamental connection and level, is set by its origin before it even comes into this world. It's independent of the physical circumstances it finds itself born into, or even the actions of its parents which might shape its initial trajectory.
[00:40:32] Speaker B: It separates inherent worth from circumstantial factors, or even inherited predispositions related to the garment.
[00:40:38] Speaker A: Well, we've certainly taken a deep dive into this fascinating and complex text today.
[00:40:42] Speaker B: We covered a lot of ground.
[00:40:43] Speaker A: We really did. We started with that incredible, almost radical idea that the soul isn't just connected to gd, but is literally described as a part of the divine essence itself.
[00:40:54] Speaker B: Truly a part.
[00:40:55] Speaker A: Exactly.
We understood how this is meant quite literally, exploring the profound metaphor of blowing from within and digging into that complex concept of Jiti's unified wisdom being one with him.
[00:41:08] Speaker B: And we navigated the complexity of understanding Jiti's wisdom as the source, clarifying that crucial point that this refers to G as manifested within a specific spiritual reality, the world of emanation, which is distinct from GD's absolute, unknowable essence.
That distinction was key to understanding how difference could even arise from ultimate unity.
[00:41:28] Speaker A: Then we tackled the profound puzzle of soul diversity, how souls can have such vastly different levels, from the highest spiritual giants down to the seemingly lowest.
[00:41:37] Speaker B: The head versus the nails.
[00:41:39] Speaker A: Exactly. We trace this difference back to the soul's path of descent through that chain like order of sequential spiritual worlds, using that powerful analogy of a child's body developing a its diverse parts from a single originating drop.
[00:41:52] Speaker B: And we uncovered the profoundly reassuring concept I find of the enduring connection back to the Source.
[00:41:58] Speaker A: Yes, that was amazing.
[00:42:00] Speaker B: That even souls that have descended to lower levels remain fundamentally Bound to their origin, not directly perhaps, but through the essential intermediary of higher souls like the scholars and the righteous right drawing spiritual life and connection from them. And this provided of a ton a deep spiritual understanding for that ancient teaching about cleaving to scholars as a means of cleaving to the divine presence itself. It gave it a mechanism.
[00:42:26] Speaker A: It did. Finally, we made that critical distinction that challenges a lot of common assumptions, understanding that while our physical circumstances and parental actions can significantly affect the soul's ability to operate and serve dead effectively in this world through its spiritual garment, these factors do not determine the soul's inherent rankings or its divine source. That fundamental level is determined from above by its origin and descent, independently of its physical birth conditions.
[00:42:53] Speaker B: The picture that emerges from this text when you piece it all together is one where every single soul possesses this incredible fundamental, non negotiable connection to the divine, unbreakable, rooted in its very being as part of Jeded, regardless of its apparent level in this world or the circumstances it was born into.
[00:43:13] Speaker A: That's quite a powerful perspective.
[00:43:15] Speaker B: It really challeng challenges us, I think, to reconsider what we mean by a soul's level and where true spiritual connection lies.
[00:43:23] Speaker A: How so?
[00:43:24] Speaker B: Well, it suggests that while our personal effort, our actions in this world are absolutely vital. Maybe they're focused on refining that spiritual garment, making it a better vessel, polishing the interface. Exactly. And enabling the soul to express its inherent potential.
The soul's intrinsic value and its ultimate connection to the divine are a given. They're an inherent reality rooted in its divine origin.
[00:43:46] Speaker A: So the work isn't about changing the.
[00:43:48] Speaker B: Soul, soul's rank, perhaps not its fundamental rank, which according to the source is set from above. The work might be more about strengthening that vital connection, ensuring that the spiritual garment is fit and pure, allowing the soul's inherent light to shine through, effectively.
[00:44:03] Speaker A: Living up to the source, rather than changing the source level, Something like that.
[00:44:07] Speaker B: It frames spiritual work not necessarily as changing your fundamental intrinsic level, but perhaps more as strengthening the pathways of connection, maybe through cleaving to the wise, as the text suggests, and ensuring that the spiritual garment is holy and capable of expressing the soul's inherent potential fully in this world.
[00:44:25] Speaker A: So for you, listening here is something to ponder based on this deep dive we've taken today.
If your soul's inherent level and its ultimate unbreakable connection to the divine are established from above, independent of your physical life and background, how does that understanding fundamentally change the way you view yourself, your inherent worth or your potential, does.
[00:44:46] Speaker B: It level the playing field in some sense sense, spiritually, Maybe.
[00:44:50] Speaker A: Does it alter your perspective on your connection to others, particularly those you might perceive as being at very different spiritual levels, knowing everyone shares that same fundamental root?
[00:45:00] Speaker B: Does it foster a different kind of unity?
[00:45:03] Speaker A: And how does it impact the way you approach spiritual work or personal growth in this world? Is the primary focus perhaps shifted more towards, as we discussed, polishing that spiritual garment, strengthening the pathways of connection back to the source, perhaps through those higher souls and living in alignment with the soul's inherent divine reality, rather than trying to fundamentally change an immutable inherent level?
[00:45:26] Speaker B: Where does the effort go? What becomes most important?
[00:45:29] Speaker A: What aspect of this exploration stands out most to you? Lots to think about there.
